Battlestar Galactica is finished! For nerds, there are few things as satisfying as ranting and arguing online about finales. Just as a warning, this blog will be SPOILER-HEAVY, so if you’re planning on watching the show but haven’t, please don’t read it. I’m stressing this point because sooner or later, you will want to watch it, and this would absolutely ruin some perfect television for you.
And I love you all way too much for that.
The finale aired recently, and was absolutely gorgeous. I’ve always been a sucker for closure, though. And whilst certain characters got absoulutely perfect endings that they deserved (Helo Athena and Hera, Baltar and Caprica, Starbuck), I felt a little unhappy with the fate of Bill Adama. If he’s in a state of mourning, I get that, but I refuse to believe that he’s going to live out the rest of his life as a hermit on a cliff somewhere. I can understand Lee; exploring will give him an outlet to have adventures, run into the other settlers, etc, but I can’t really abide the idea of the old man and his vague fate.
So what did I do? I went trawling for some kind of resolution. And I think I found something:
(This is from the Discover Online blog, and is an excerpt from an interview with Ronald D. Moore and David Eick)
“I’m curious about a few characters’ final fates. You very easily could have gotten away with Helo sacrificing his life so Athena could go after Hera, but they got the happy ending in the end.
There were two things. One, originally when we were breaking the story, Athena and Helo were both going to die to save Hera. And then I felt sort of unsatisfied about that. I really wanted that family unit to survive to the end. So in the script, when Helo gets shot in the corridor and he’s left, I didn’t intend it to be a cliffhanger of “is he going to die?” I just kept writing it, and there wasn’t a moment to establish he was okay. And when Tahmoh read the script, he got that point and said, “Oh, (bleep), I’m dead.” And when he got to the end, he was surprised.
And then it becomes this tearjerking moment when you see the three of them off in the distance (on Africa) and you realize he survived and they’re intact.
And when Tahmoh had that reaction, I decided, “Well, now I definitely don’t want to establish that he’s okay,” because I wanted people to have that same reaction.
Well, did anyone else almost die and then you gave them a reprieve in the end?
We did talk, for a long time, that Adama and Laura were going to get in a Raptor together and fly off into the stars, and Adama was going to show her the universe, and that would be the last we see of them. And before I ever even wrote it, Mary got wind of that and called me and said, “You know what? In our very first conversation about the show, we agreed Laura would die. I feel it’s important to actually show it,” and I said she was absolutely right, so she died on camera and Adama lived on camera.
Because when he said goodbye to Lee like that, I assumed he was going to wait for Laura to die and then crash the Raptor or something.
I knew people would have that reaction.
So he’s going to be like Tyrol, just live off by himself?
He’s going to build that little cabin, and who knows what.
Aaron Douglas keeps saying, “Well, you know what? They’re going to get a message. Someone’s going to trudge up the hill to Adama and hand him a note, saying, ‘Tyrol needs you in Scotland!’ And Adama will put on his pack and go off to Scotland!”
So there you go. Moore seems open to it. In the interest of keeping my dream alive, what are your opinions? Has anyone heard anything on the subject of the ongoing tales of these characters we’ve grown to love?
/Paul
(Interview from Alan Sepinwalls interview with Ronald D. Moore and David Eick, at NJ.com)
42 responses so far ↓
1 trav // Apr 22, 2009 at 12:04 pm
I think at this point, death of the author takes place and what happens to the characters is entirely up to you the audience.
If you reckon bill will live out his life as a hermit, tired of the burden of command, then so be it.
If you reckon he tries it for a while, gets bored and then has adventures, that also is possible.
I had a lot of people complain about roslyn getting such a happy ending, as they felt her late season handling of personal issues and the false earth showed her to be a power hungry despot not interested in doing what’s right just interested in being the one in control.
Personally my biggest issue was the decision to give up their technology. It’s effectively book burning and I don’t think it would have resolved fast or positively like they portrayed it.
2 xutraa // Apr 22, 2009 at 12:17 pm
I had a MASSIVE RANT about this on my blog when I saw the finale, because I damn well loved this show, to the point of spending most of the last ep in tears and I wanted so much more (though Helo/Athena/Hera was perfectly done, IMHO). Bill’s ending was kinda nice, really, and realistic-ish, as you know, you can’t tie up everything perfectly. Lee…ehhhhhhhh, he seemed pretty cool with everyone just leaving him. Doesn’t sound like our Lee, does it? Even with that luxurious mane of hair.
You know who I wanted to see get an ending bit? Romo Lambkin and his Vice President Dog. I loved his character. SO MUCH. And Hotdog and his kid.
Please tell me someone else laughed when Baltar said ‘I know a bit about farming’, because all I could think was ‘Plowing’. Haha. Yes, I suck.
I notice you didn’t mention the afterschool special that was the Times Square Incident (Japan are the New Cylons!). Are you, like me, blanking that shit out?
3 Destructor // Apr 22, 2009 at 12:18 pm
When I saw Adama sitting on the cliff for the first time, I definitely thought: “Well, he’ll find Lee again.” That’s just who he was.
And you know, as lame as the original series was, I have always been interested in the way that the remake took threads from the original and sort of wove them into more subtle, interesting versions of what they were. And in the original series, Starbuck was ultimately picked up by the Ship of Lights and swept onto adventures unknown. And there’s nothing in the new series that says that didn’t happen again- in fact there’s a lot to imply that it did.
But as for seeing the continuing adventures- I think they picked the right time to end it. It felt right. Sometimes you need to walk off into the sunset.
That said, ‘Caprica’ should be hitting the web on Tuesday, are you downloading?
4 paul // Apr 22, 2009 at 12:22 pm
All good points! Re the technology thing, I think living an almost colonial existence (sans the genocide), schooling the locals ala the protagnist from The Time Machine, really hits the spot for me. And I can’t see Adama sitting that opportunity out for too long. So I’m erring on the side of hopeful.
5 Destructor // Apr 22, 2009 at 12:23 pm
@xutraa The ONLY time I cried in that ep was when Baltar’s voice broke saying I know about farming (and, oh shit, tearing up just thinking about it now), so no I didn’t laugh! I did LOL when Adama said: “You’ve got a one-tracked mind, doctor.” Brilliant.
As for the coda- I quite liked it. Was a nice little connect from their world to ours, and sort of played out the whole ‘all of this has happened before, all of this will happen again’ motif to a final conclusion. Nice.
I thought Roslyn’s ending was good- it needed to happen- and it was not exactly happy! She *almost* got to open her log-cabin Christmas present and then she was dead.
6 paul // Apr 22, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Not really, I think the point was to indicate that they did succeed in turning shit around, and also that there’s room for low-end adventures for the crew after the jump forward. The angels were, I feel, sceptical but
also quietly impressed that things appeared to be going differently due to their decision (the shots of robots was cautionary, but had Lee not made the call, the repeating of events could have happened centuries earlier do to technological intervention). So in my book, they pretty much nailed it, apart from a handful of resolution issues.
7 Kristian // Apr 22, 2009 at 12:49 pm
I thought it was great, which filled us all with nice and flowery, uh, feelings. We sat and laughed, cried, and ultimately ate some nice food and drank nice wine. Fun times.
Closure, I felt, was overrated because it showed me that, possibly due to the high standards that it set itself, the show was about to nuke the fridge… I’m wondering if it was getting a little too big for it’s britches.
The whole LotR style ending after ending after ending felt badly put together. Like they slapped an epilogue after another, and I took as an indication that the show was ever-so-slightly too full of itself. I’m further convinced of this when you hear they cast aside an ending that had Galactica itself crashing into earth, and being found in our time. Apparently it would have brought the audience out of the “reality” that implies that OH MY GOD THIS REALLY HAPPENED! I feel… cheated in some ways by this on many levels, which we could discuss in a pub style rant of “If I was in charge then I would have…” although we ultimately know that there are reasons why I’m not in charge of anything, including my own life.
Also Battlestar doesn’t have decades of being the archetype of anything in order to hang a jarring multiple ending-a-thon like LotR did. In fact after running such a tight show in which more happens before the opening credits than in a whole season of Lost, it felt shoddily written. Or edited. Or something. A shame, because the 1st half was incredible.
I think I had a point there somewhere, but I lost it. Also Caprica leaked a week or two ago. Go fourth. Not that I am encouraging that kind of thing. I saw the torrent because I was reading the articles.
8 xutraa // Apr 22, 2009 at 12:52 pm
@Destructor Oh don’t get me wrong, the way Baltar cracked then was awesome. But I couldn’t help but cover my girlie girlie tears with a sex joke.
@Paul Good point there. I guess I am still suffering from a kind of knee jerk reaction. I could have happily ended the show with Hera looking upwards to the stars, but I guess the Angels bit makes sense from that standpoint.
I have to say, for all my bitching about the ending, I loved having ‘All Along The Watchtower’ in the ending. It was a great thread to have through the finale (especially with Buck playing it with the ghost of her dad!)
Though I’m kinda sad that her Dad didn’t turn out to be the Boxed Daniel.
9 paul // Apr 22, 2009 at 1:07 pm
@xutraa Agreed with the song and her dad, awesome stuff.
That’s the problem, I guess, with being a fan; we have a sense of entitlement. We (generally) don’t pay anything for the show, and turn all hypercritical of a bunch of artists working hard at something for years and years. I’ve learned not to be cynical about stuff like this, and I think for the most part I’ve achieved it, so even if I wanted to I couldn’t cut the finale down on any major grounds, because frankly I’ve never enjoyed a non-comedic show more. Don’t get me wrong, I adore so many different sci-fi franchises, but none of them hit the mark for me more than this (several have come terrifyingly close). Also, after the shithouse season 4 Doctor Who ending, I think we seriously lucked out here. The present day stuff was a slight misstep, but all in all, they scored a major goal.
Definately needs a rewatch.
10 Aqualec // Apr 22, 2009 at 1:09 pm
It Frakking Ruled.
When you watching the finale of any series that you love, your always gonna be on the edge of your seat till the end hoping it delivers that fantastic finale you want.
It delivered in bucketloads. It was a very Character driven episode and characters were given great send offs, also most plotlines were finished off or left to our own imagination/interpretation.
11 paul // Apr 22, 2009 at 1:16 pm
@aqualec: I love you.
Also, the space battle/storming was awesome.
12 Aqualec // Apr 22, 2009 at 1:21 pm
@paul: love you too man.
I agree the space battle/storming was indeed awesome. The whole time leading up to it, and throughout the battle i felt like a little kid again watching Transformers, Thundercats or any other TV show from when i was a kid
13 Destructor // Apr 22, 2009 at 1:37 pm
I compare all finales to the finale of Star Trek TNG, which to me was perfect and I think will always be the bar. BSG’s came pretty damned close to that, it didn’t fill me with quite the same ‘wow’ feeling that All Good Things did, but it was perfect for the show.
After the incredibly disappointing finales of DS9 and Voyager (if you didn’t like the many, many epilogues of BSG, let me ask: how would you have felt if they’d ended the show on the shot where they first found Earth and there was NO closure?) I was actually quite scared that BSG would go the same route (esp. as, if the podcasts are any indication, it’s all made up as they go, and closure has never been improv’s strong point), and was very relieved when it all ended up so perfectly.
And FRAK ME if that final battle wasn’t feature-film quality awesome.
14 Lizbt // Apr 22, 2009 at 1:37 pm
I felt really cheated by Starbuck’s ending… And she was an angel all along. Felt a bit too easy and definitely under-explained (she is seen, heard, felt by everyone).
I also want to see those missing cabinet meetings with Romo.
Gaelen and the Gaelics!
15 paul // Apr 22, 2009 at 1:42 pm
@destructor Well said, especially with the TNG finale. Perfect ending to a near perfect show right there. How do you feel about my Adama quandry?
And how does everyone feel about Gaelen, and the whole “I know who you are…” “Shut up!” thing
16 Aqualec // Apr 22, 2009 at 1:53 pm
@lizbit ive read somwhere that Moore has said that Kara can be anyone we want her to be. If she was an “Angel” from what i saw, it made out that she didn’t know until the the very last moment.
@destructor imagine how good it would be on Blu-Ray
17 xutraa // Apr 22, 2009 at 2:11 pm
@lizbt You of all people know how butthurt I was about ‘Buck. WHY. And if one more person says she’s Jesus I’m gonna throw a toaster at them.
@Aqualec I read that too, that Kara can be our whatever, and with what @Destructor said about the original series and the Ship of Lights, I’m inclined to agree that it was a bit of a tie-in to the old series as well. But I’m still puzzling over it. Like @Paul said, scifi fans like me, we always demand things from my series that we have no right to :p
@Paul Oh Galen and the Gaelics. He was the best selfhating Cylon there was, really. His character kind of lost a bit of dimension at the end for me, making him Cranky Hermit before his time.
Though I loved how he killed Tori. Was it a fan concession? Probably, but it was sweet.
Things I also loved: Cavil offing himself when all was lost. HybridAnders giving all the hybrids an orgasm before he took over the Colony ship.
18 Aqualec // Apr 22, 2009 at 2:29 pm
@xutraa Here’s a Question. “The Plan” comes out in November, and is meant to be from two Cylons Perspective about the whole series.
Do you recon that this will clear any lingering plot/issues that people feel were left out i.e what exactly Starbuck is?
19 xutraa // Apr 22, 2009 at 2:51 pm
@Aqualec You know, I reckon it will create more questions! It will hopefully give us a bit of insight into the Angels, seeing as they seem to be a construct of the One True God that the Cylons believe in. Your guess is probably better than mine!
20 Marco // Apr 22, 2009 at 3:05 pm
I’ve watched the final twice now, and found it was sadder the second time.
I thought it was ironic that Cavil blew his head off, considering his main ambition was to preserve the Cylon race. But at the same time, his demise it was enigmatically apt.
Has anyone seen Caprica yet? (sorry to stray a bit)
21 Andy // Apr 22, 2009 at 8:49 pm
I hated the concept of the humans abandoning technology. As soon as the first person gets sick they will regret doing such a stupid thing, imo.
I loved that every character got a good send off, and it was only in his final scene that i finally stopped hating Baltar. Laura was always my favourite character – so her death was very upsetting, as was the moment when it looked like they would reach agreement with Cavill… but the final five had a breakdown thanks to Tori killing Cally.
It really was a special tv series. I will never forget it.
22 paul // Apr 23, 2009 at 8:35 am
I think Lee made an awesome call, PROVIDED they still interract as a society and don’t all go off into the wilderness and die alone. Honestly, I think after four years in space, it’ll take a while to get all the “stretching their legs” out of their systems, after which time we can probably expect some sort of frontier-ish community from them all, Bill included.
I think The Plan is meant to be centered around Anders, actually, and will probably fill in Gaedas secret (that whole Gaius exchange), etc. I like the idea that in galactica, angels are forces of nature that follow their instincts. Karas was to help the fleet reach Earth, and her fathers was to help his daughter.
Not sure how I feel about Caprica, had a long talk with my favourite comic book store guy yesterday and the person in charge is responsible for one of the weakest episodes of the entire show (the one near the end which is basically about Ellen tormenting a pregnant six).
The final five all had good exits, Kara had a good exit (though I reckon more will get fleshed out), Roslin had a tragic ending but a good one, and Bill just needs to spend some time alone. Basically, I loved it. Can’t wait for The Plan!
23 paul // Apr 23, 2009 at 8:37 am
@andy, well said. I think it was brilliant that Tori got her neck wrung, I couldn’t stand her character. It’s lovely to think of the final five as humans who have just been around a really fucking long time, and who finally got to see the thing they were trying to accomplish get done.
Also, kinda awesome to think Montgomery Scott is descended from Gaelan.
24 Aqualec // Apr 23, 2009 at 9:03 am
@paul either that or Connor MacLeod
25 Aqualec // Apr 23, 2009 at 9:07 am
@andy i can see where your coming from in regards to someone getting sick, they say near the end that the remains of Mitochondrial Eve were described as those of a “young” woman? So Maybe Hera died young due to illness.
Never the less Frakking Good end to a Frakking Good Series.
26 xutraa // Apr 23, 2009 at 9:11 am
@Aqualec Hera’s whole destiny was to shag a pre-human, get teen pregnant and die young :p
(and kick start the human race, but whateverz)
27 brodie // Apr 23, 2009 at 11:15 am
anton de ionno just told me he’s staying with this guy http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0368745/ when he’s in the states. amazing.
28 Destructor // Apr 23, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Well Jesus is the most-well known resurrection myth, but there are plenty more to draw from. Starbuck is Gandalf, Starbuck is Hercules, she’s the Emperor in 40K, Neo, Osiris, King Arthur, Tammus, Superman, Sandman, Baal, Wesley from the Princess Bride and John Locke from Lost. Pretty much every human myth has a resurrection in there somewhere. Starbuck was just repeating the cycle that’s been going since storytelling began. Sure, it was a bit deus ex the way she disappeared, but for all we know she was jumped by a sabre-toothed tiger or something.
After Gandalf died in Moria, something bought him back to finish his task. When his task was complete, his time was up. I don’t know that I need to know what it was that bought him back to enjoy Lord of the Rings. And wouldn’t it be lamer if it was explained, in Gandalf’s case or in Starbuck’s?
As someone who had experienced death several times previously Cavil probably was a bit more cavalier about taking himself out- maybe they do it for fun in Cylonia? Lord knows I’d jump off a cliff if I could wake up in a new body after I hit the bottom.
29 luke // Apr 23, 2009 at 1:19 pm
jesus christ, 28 comments? i really get the feeling i should actually watch this show…
30 Hamish // Apr 23, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Uhh… has anyone watched Caprica yet?
31 manchux // Apr 23, 2009 at 3:08 pm
fucking hell, this is one epic comment thread. I think I might need to watch this show now, what station is it on?
32 trav // Apr 23, 2009 at 3:35 pm
@Paul I’m surprised you agree with the loss of tech decision. Lots of people point out the obvious advanced medicine disadvantage, but what about the ability to store knowledge? They had about what, 20-40k people left?
That’s going to bleed a whole lot of history REALLY fast, especially when there’s no digital medium to store it.
Unless you buy the whole “we have souls that learn” crap, which is alluding to genetic memory it’s basically going to leave us with a lot more of a chance that people repeat the mistakes of the past than not.
Also I think the ending was contradictory in a lot of ways… It mentions cylons as being an integrated part of the society, which to me implies that they’ve sorted out the human vs machine dealy, but then does this whole spooky thing with the robots… What gives?
Also I remember that Sam flies into the sun at the end, why the crap wouldn’t he go exploring the galaxy with his remote controlled fleet for the rest of his life instead of enduring a horrifically painful demise? (assuming he still feels pain)
33 Aqualec // Apr 23, 2009 at 3:51 pm
@trav maybe he knew Kara was an “Angel”, hence the “see you on the other side” comment.
34 paul // Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 pm
@trav With the loss of tech, that doesn’t mean they can’t keep a vaccine or two, some basic tools, and function with knoeledge of basic carpentry/engineering/first aid etc. It’s not like they’re devolving, they’re just scaling thing way back to essentially a frontier level of technology (for the most part, I’d say). After four whole years basically shipwrecked in space being attacked by machines, I’d hardly begrudge them a rural existence. And that’s all it is: rural.
The point of the future stuff wasn’t “yay! they did it!” nor was it “look! nothing changed!”, it was “Hmm. Well played you fleshy bastards, things seem like they might just have worked out”. The robots is just a “what if they just delayed it?”, in which case they bought humanity five or six centuries more before shit goes down. Either way they did good.
Sam always wanted to create something perfect and mathematical, which he couldn’t do since the injury. WHat better way to die than a) organising the infinitely complex task of piloting an entire fleet solo into a sun, and b) helping the ones he loved? Also, “see you on the other side” when said by a hybrid to Kara basically screams “theres an afterlife, and you and I will be making out there in about… say, ten minutes?”.
Your move, sir!
35 Elmo // Apr 23, 2009 at 4:28 pm
I will pay good money to whoever can explain this to me:
>The Cylons were created by man.
OK, right.
>When the Fleet lands on the nuked Earth (their
“Earth”), the find a burial ground of Cylon bones which are, like the planet, 2000 years old.
Who the frak created those Cylons? Are they different Cylons? A race the evolved separately?
Or, is this just the most glaring and terrible plot hole ever created, I assume, by mistake?
Also, I watched the finale twice and cried BOTH TIMES. When Lee says “I know” tearfully to his father as he leaves — heartbreaking! As to all the spiritual elements which are woven in to the series and brought to a head in the finale, well, duh. The original series was inspired by the Book of Mormon.
36 Elmo // Apr 23, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Wow, I should learn to spell.
37 paul // Apr 23, 2009 at 5:31 pm
@elmo:
The story of the Final Five
In No Exit, the origin of the Five is revealed. Samuel Anders regains his Cylon memories after getting shot in the head and he reveals what he knows to Saul Tigh, Galen Tyrol, and Tory Foster, as well as Kara Thrace. The Final Five worked in a research facility on Earth. Saul and Ellen were married even back then and Tyrol and Tory were in love and planned to get married. What they were researching was a way to re-invent resurrection technology. Organic memory transfer came from Kobol, but had fell out of use after the Thirteenth Tribe Cylons started to procreate. The Five worked night and day to rebuild it, spurred by apocalyptic warnings from “the messengers”. Tyrol’s work on the project was “amazing”, but it was Ellen who made the intuitive leap that brought the system back online.
The Five then placed the technology and new bodies for them on a ship they placed in orbit around Earth. When they were all killed in the nuclear holocaust unleashed by Earth’s mistreated mechanical Cylons, they were reborn in their new bodies on the ship in orbit. Realizing that the other Twelve Tribes would continue to create artificial life, they headed for the Colonies to tell the humans to treat their creations well and keep them close. Because their people hadn’t developed jump drives, the Five’s ship traveled at relativistic, but subluminal speed. Time slowed down for them, but thousands of years had passed. According to Ellen, they stopped at the Temple of Hopes on their way to the Colonies, a temple that was created by their ancestors where they prayed and got a sign that led them to Earth. But Ellen said that the Five were not responsible for the vision that Number Three received of them, saying that it must have been orchestrated by God.
By the time they got to the Colonies, the humans were already at war with the Centurions. The Centurions were already trying to make flesh bodies. They had created the Hybrids, but nothing that lived on its own, so the Five made a deal with them: they stop the war and the Five will help them create humanoid Cylons. The Centurions agreed and signed the Cimtar Peace Accord with humanity. The Five and the Centurions then withdrew to a mobile space station called The Colony placed beyond the Armistice Line. The Five and the Centurions apparently worked well together; the Five had learned to respect mechanical Cylons, and even adopted the Centurions’ monotheistic beliefs.
The Five developed the eight humanoid models and gave them resurrection technology. They created Number One first, named him John. He was named after Ellen’s father and also made in his image. Number One later changed his name to Cavil as he hated the name John. Cavil helped the Five build the other seven humanoid models. Ellen was close to Number Seven (Daniel) and Cavil, out of jealousy, contaminated the amniotic fluid in which the Daniel copies were maturing and then corrupted the genetic formula. This wiped out the copies permanently, and as Anders said of Daniel: “he died”, indicating that the original Daniel was lost as well.
Cavil rejected mercy. He had a twisted idea of morality and despised the Five for contaminating their creations with human weaknesses and Centurion religious ideals, so he turned on them. He trapped them in a compartment and then he took the oxygen offline. Cavil boxed the Five at first but ultimately unboxed them and downloaded them into new bodies, blocking their true memories and implanting false ones, then introducing them one by one into the colonies. He introduced Saul first, not long after the war. And then Ellen. Cavil put the Five into the human population in order to truly show them what humans are like. He hoped that when they died and resurrected (which restores their real memories) they’d be ready to admit they were wrong. This is why they never knew who they really were. The truth behind the music that triggered their knowledge of their true selves has yet to be revealed.
Cavil erased all knowledge of their identities from his siblings and his was the only Cylon model that knew their identities afterwards, but he kept at least one new body for each of them to download into. When Ellen was killed by Saul, she downloaded into a new body on a Resurrection Ship. With the destruction of the Hub, the Five are the only ones who know how to rebuild resurrection technology, but Ellen claims it would take all five working together to rebuild it and even then she’s not sure they could do it.
38 paul // Apr 23, 2009 at 5:31 pm
(from Battlestar Wiki)
39 Elmo // Apr 24, 2009 at 10:03 am
Holy crap, that is complicated. Thanks Paul/Battlestar Wiki.
OK, so on Kobol, where all humans evolved originally, Cylons had already been created by those humans. Those Cylons, including the five, colonised “their Earth” and began building their own Centurions to heavy lifting duty. Those centurions eventaully rebelled and nuked the original Earth, so the five travel off to warn the colonies not to make machines and treat them meanly — they will rise one day and KILL! KILL!
OK, so while traveling to warn the inhabitants of the colonies against building intelligent life, the final five set to building… intelligent life in the form of the humanoid cylon models, including Cavill who is really going fuck up everyone’s shit. Why do they do that if their whole mission is about not creating AIs that will turn on their creators?
Oh right. All this has happened before and all this will happen again.
40 paul // Apr 24, 2009 at 10:22 am
@elmo
The Cylons that the Final Five gave resurrection and humanity to were centurions originally, which makes Cavills Centurion bigotry all the more awesome and complex and… well, bigoted. They saw the Centurions were experimenting with hybrids, mutilating people, and so they thought by making them basically human they’d break the cycle. Theyd inherit empathy, not want to slaughter their human counterparts, etc. Which of course went squiffy, because Cavill is a petulant nutbar (but one of my favourite characters, especially his whole “I want to feel a supernova!” rant). It’s the same noble gesture which created a lot of good in the end (the three models of cylon which eventually did learn how to be good people, and the ultimate alliance between the baseship and the rebels).
Phew!
41 Elmo // Apr 24, 2009 at 5:33 pm
I think I just have to watch it all again.
42 Aqualec // May 1, 2009 at 10:50 am
Ooooooooooooooo http://snurl.com/h4gif
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